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Amy B's avatar

So good. I hope you can tie in Dara Horn’s idea that Jew hatred (here the distinct genocidal antizionist hate movement) is used by those who want to keep or maintain power

Joshua Dabelstein's avatar

thank you so much for reposting :)

Rachel Rudensky's avatar

Here’s the difficulty: in a normal libel case, the issue is the truth of the statements. The plaintiff brings in the facts and the jury then renders a verdict. I get what you’re saying — that this situation is more like Joseph K’s trial in Kafka’s The Trial. Don’t participate. Don’t empty your pockets. But then the libel grows and becomes justification for, say, targeting Jewish toddlers in Detroit.

Joshua Dabelstein's avatar

I need you to elaborate, im not quite with you

Rachel Rudensky's avatar

Forgive me because maybe I didn’t quite understand you. It sounded to me like you were telling us Jews, and Israel supporters not to be like the medieval Jews participating in the disputations or like Alfred Dreyfus going to his trial with his attorney or being a Jew who empties his pockets. It sounded like you were saying that basically it is like Kafka‘s trial. But I was pointing out that it is natural and normal when accused of libel to show that it is in fact libel. And if you don’t, then the libel just grows. So I don’t really know what the solution is.

Joshua Dabelstein's avatar

Oh no, this is about teaching people to discern between political criticism and abuse. You should come along to a maaz training!

Rachel Rudensky's avatar

I would like that. Tell me more.

Joshua Dabelstein's avatar

book here! would love to see you! https://cal.com/maaztrainaus